Wednesday, May 21, 2014

A Save Manston March

This afternoon's march on the Thanet District Council offices at Cecil Square, was really quite well attended and vocal too. When I left, the demonstrators were chanting for Council Leader, Iris Johnston, to come outside and talk with them; does anyone know if she did?

Here are some of my photos from this afternoon and I was really pleased to see such strong support for the suggestion of a compulsory purchase of the airport. Time is of the essence if the Council is to act on this, rather than sit on its hands, I would expect to see an special meeting of the Council called very soon to debate the matter properly. I'm sure many thousands of people in Thanet, who support the airport, would expect the same of their councillors.


30 comments:

Anonymous said...

When can we expect to hear details of what a CPO might entail i.e. costs, funding, management, business plans, etc.? Given TDC's reputation in their recent business dealings (TransEuropa, SFP Ventures, Rank, etc.) I'd like to see some substance and reassurance that some due diligence is being observed before going down this route.

Anonymous said...

How many of the claimed tens of thousands of supporters went on the march? Gazette says there around 40. You say it was "quite well-attended". Who's right?

Anonymous said...

How many anti-Manston protesters were there? I didn't see any.

Anonymous said...

Hundreds if you count the cars tooting as well

Anonymous said...

If 150 lost their jobs then you would expect there to be at least 150.
But truth be told everybody but a few hard core supporters has lost interest for a closed airport with the owner wanting to build houses and is not going to sell for a few million when she can make 100s of millions building on it.
And as for this new idea of a C.P.O for an airport that has lost over 100 million in the last 15 years and expecting the tax payer to foot the bill!!!!!
Just think of what you could do with that sort of money and just to waist it when real airport company's have failed to make a penny and lost lots.
Whats the point C.P.O is it to give the people back their jobs? or to have an airport on our doorstep or is it some fantasy that Manston will one day become londons biggest airport?
All that support Manston should really think about their actions and what they say its ok for people who dont understand finance to become all nostalgic about manston but those in power should know better it would be a criminal waist of tax payers money

Simon Moores said...

6:49 I encourage intelligent debate but I also expect a reasonable standard of argument from contributors. You are clearly struggling with the bigger economic picture.

Anonymous said...

I want to know what a criminal's torso has got to do with Manston?

Anonymous said...

Well stick your head in the sand you will never get a cpo on manston and for you to tell me that i dont understand local finance it just beggars belief

Even More Bemused of Birchington said...

You might think you understand local finance but you obviously missed school on the day that punctuation was covered, especially the use of capital letters for proper nouns as in Manston, and the use of the apostrophe as in don't. The use of the comma, and the full stop at the end of a sentence also seems to have been overlooked in your rush to achieve status in the world of high finance.

John Holyer said...

Anon 10:25,

Beggars belief, really? I believe it. Your argument does not convince me [Standing by for a gratuitous insult as a reply]

Anonymous said...

Simon, could you be any more patronising? What 6.49 said made perfect sense to me, in sharp contrast to any debate coming from Gale/Sandys, the Tory Group, or any of the CPO supporters. For the Tories and TDC to come out in favour of a CPO can you run through here how that will be funded, indicating the potential costs (purchase and running), duration, business plans, etc.? This must be at your fingertips since I'm sure, given the financial implications, you wouldn't be entertaining a CPO without having fully researched the implications.

Anonymous said...

3:39 is absolutely right. Until such time as there are details about what the CPO entails and costs and subsequent plans for the site once compulsory purchased how can any rational person support (or oppose) this idea ? The thought that Cllrs might meet and vote for a CPO without fully understanding the long term implications and costs is very frightening. I certainly have no faith in this being anything other than a knee jerk reaction at the moment.

Anonymous said...

So that now some people have pointed out where Manstons CPO would be a very bad idea.
Please tell us thick people who don't understand why you think it would be a good idea?
If your argument is going to be about spelling or bad punctuation or being to thick to understand the complex workings of demographical finance then you have lost your battle before you start and may as well not write anything as it won't be read.

Even More Bemused of Birchington said...

Anon 9:27 AM. Sorry, one apostrophe adrift, and I think you will find that there are two spellings of to too, and you managed to select the wrong one.

I don't have a clue about "demographical finance", but I prefer to read an argument where the quality of English is good enough to pass at 'O' level, rather than read a diatribe full of bad spelling and punctuation.

I believe that it needs the will of the people for Manston to succeed. So far it has only had half hearted support from those who should have the best interests of Thanet at heart.

Anonymous said...

Come now, 9:27, you simply cannot speak for everybody. I really enjoy reading comments that point out bad spelling and grammar or refer to opinions as thick. Really cheers up my day.

William Epps said...

Perhaps, 9:27, a CPO would place Manston in the hands of the local authority, made up of those elected by the people of Thanet, rather than with some absentee owner who is just looking to cash in on its assets. As for public money, well if there is a return on the investment why not have that into our local coffers rather than to further enrich an existing millionaire.

On top, it would give local people far more say in what is done with Manston and localism is supposed to be flavour of the moment. Maybe, on the other hand, you do not trust your fellow Thanetians to do what you want with the site?

Anonymous said...

It is precisely the fact that Manston will be in the hands of the local authority that makes me so nervous. TDC's recent dealings with TransEuropa, SFP Ventures and the like proves that it is incapable of operating in the hard-nosed world of business. It is delusional if they think they can turn around a loss-making airport where others have failed. At least the previous owners were wasting their own money, TDC and KCC seem happy to risk ours. Do you really see this an investment opportunity that will enrich TDC coffers? And if there is a miraculous pot of money that TDC and KCC have found to buy, invest in and run an airport, then shouldn't other options be explored that don't have the inherent financial risk or negative impact on Ramsgate, so everyone's a winner?

William Epps said...

Firstly, you do not know necessarily that they would run it as an airport and, secondly, there is more to Thanet than just Ramsgate.

Quite obviously you are that now virtually loan voice in the wilderness who is totally opposed to an airport irrespective of what replaces it.

1 o'clock Rob said...

So anon 3:28pm... So where do you stand on the Port of Ramsgate? Can we count on your support to sell it off to anyone wishing to run it so that we, the taxpayer, are not liable for its inability to turn a profit?

Anonymous said...

In the early days, I suggested the idea of a group purchase by people who live in Thanet. Wouldn't take much from each person to raise ten million - and people from outside Thanet, but still in Kent, were saying that they wanted in as well!

Anonymous said...

William. Firstly, I am assuming they'd try to run it as an airport since that's Gale's primary motivation. Whether RiverOak would run it as an airport if it were sold on to them is another matter. Secondly, Ramsgate would bear the brunt on say a cargo hub, so might deserve a little consideration - though I appreciate there's rarely any evidence of that. Thirdly, 'virtually loan voice' doesn't make any sense in any context. Nice try though.

Even More Bemused of Birchington said...

Sorry people, lone, not loan. Unless of course we are looking at a bank loan to fund the CPO.

Anonymous said...

Now my comments are not being published just what you would expect on a pro-manston blog SHAME ON YOU SIMON

Simon Moores said...

11:36. This weblog has an acceptable use policy. Your earlier personal comment was in breach of this and as a consequence was not published.. If you wish to rephrase your remark then feel free to do so.

Anonymous said...

11.36 - also worth bearing in mind that if you're not in favour of the CPO don't worry too much about including any facts or common sense about what's being proposed as that gets simply ignored. They will, however, take you to task on the more important issue of your grammar and spelling. Quite write too.
(10 points for the first smug pedant to spot the deliberate mistake).

Even More Bemused of Birchington said...

Anon 7:18. Was it addressing your remarks to the blog author as 11:36 rather than by his name? Or was your intended target a smug pedant who insists on good grammar, spelling, and punctuation.

And I can't work out if you are for or against Manston. I am for anything that will get Manston working again as a fully functioning aerodrome/airport and have never been of any other view, right?

Anonymous said...

Plenty of wishful thinking from the pro-airport people. The fact is the airport was a money pit. Let Manston rest in peace.


William Epps said...

Sorry about the loan/lone mishap earlier, but the old spell check never picked up on that and I never noticed. Put another way, a certain anon who shall be nameless, like the Dark Lord in Harry Potter, keeps harping on about Manston and even responding to himself like he was part of a crowd. Come to think of it, he is a bit like the Dark Lord only fatter (only joking, honest).

Looking round the anti airport folk are few and far between whilst the pros are currently putting on quite a good show. Sadly, it will all probably come to nothing especially as reports indicate that asset stripping of airfield equipment is already taking place.

1 o'clock Rob said...

Now 3:36 we only have to get rid of the Port of Ramsgate which ACTUALLY costs us Thanet taxpayers money.

Even More Bemused of Birchington said...

I can confirm that contrary to your twitter feed the radars at Manston are apparently still in situ. The tall tower adjacent to the Battle of Britain museum was turning at 09:10 BST this morning, 28/05/14. The other radar, within the airfield boundary, which I assume is an airfield control radar, ACR, is not turning (because the airfield is closed), for the moment.