Sunday, January 19, 2014

Come on Down Nigel

James Wharton MP with Sir Roger Gale in Ramsgate
I read today that a UKIP councillor has attributed the recent flooding to God's anger at our nation's support for equal marriage. There's a popular statistical axiom that 'Correlation does not imply causation' and until we see a plague of locusts and our firstborn being carried-off, it may be too early to blame the divine and not the jet stream for our troubles this winter.

It's a curious argument on climate change. Given that I lost both an aircraft and a greenhouse in the recent small hurricane, I wonder what I've done to offend the Almighty?

Mr Farage, has of course committed to cleaning-up the more eccentric membership of his party before the spring elections and on Monday, he arrives in Thanet, to take part in a private debate at St George's School in Broadstairs, with Thanet South's Labour candidate, Will Scobie and the Conservative MEP candidate, Julie Marsen.

I was surprised to see that the debate is by invitation only, as I'm sure this could easily have filled the Winter Gardens and perhaps raised a big sum for charity at the same time. People would, I'm sure pay good money to see Mr Farage challenge Will Scobie's Labour-directed position on Europe. No referendum, no say and even greater integration with Brussels.

On Friday, James Wharton, the MP who has been pushing through Parliament, a Private Members Bill to guarantee a European referendum, visited Ramsgate to give a talk, supported by both Sir Roger Gale and Laura Sandys. He explained very clearly, that if we want to change our relationship with Europe, as so many people seem to wish, then the only way of achieving this is to vote for a Conservative government at the next general election.

Alternatively, if it's simply a protest vote against the current political system, that people wish to exercise, then voting for UKIP, simply delivers Ed Milliband a much better chance of forming a government in 2015; in which case, nothing offered by either UKIP or the Conservatives will ever see the parliamentary light of day.

33 comments:

Anonymous said...

That's what Miliband is banking on. Pun intended.

Norah Batty said...

Can you tell us voters just how many meetings of the Residents Association all three Councillors have attended in the last year ? Can you also tell us how many the KCC Councillor, who replaced Robert Burgess, has attended ? Do you have that information ? I would be most interested to know. Also, is it true that Robert Burgess still continues to take an interest in the Residents Association and Westgate in general ? I want to know so that I may make an informed decision over who to vote for in the future.

Anonymous said...

I do believe that Sir Rog was equally upset at gay marriage and what it meant for his chosen religion, but not quite bonkers enough to suggest it caused a flood.

But then again, has anyone asked him?

Simon Moores said...

Norah, you would have to ask the WWRA that question.

As Tom King chairs the WWRA one might guess most, with me somewhere behind him and Jodie, possibly not at all.

For the UKIP KCC councillor I recall seeing him on two occasions when we both attended together

I saw Robert Burgess last week and have no doubt his interest continues

Anonymous said...

I see the 'Gods wrath' ukip cllr has been suspended. Just how do they manage to attract such looneys!, or am I answering my own question?

Anonymous said...

UKIP are just a right wing version of The Monster Raving Loony Party!

Anonymous said...

The picture of James Wharton looks like a young Nigel Farage.

John Holyer said...

I am not a natural follower of blood sports but I would truly pay to witness a debate between Nigel Farage and Scobie Minor.

Bernie said...

My daughter is taking A Level Government and Politics and has been invited to the 'Question Time' tonight, and to put a question to Mr Farage.
Her studies have definitely opened her eyes to the world of politics and are leading her to forming her opinions based on some actual knowledge and hard facts rather than heresay and assumption...it's a shame it isn't part of the National Curriculum really at a younger age. To try and impart some understanding of our world the people inhabiting it you'd think a study of the various systems in place and what they mean for those who live under them would be as valid as the study of the world religions...? Understanding others' situations and beliefs can only help bring people together IMO and helps to stamp out ignorance. x

Anonymous said...

@Norah Batty

It use to be very easy to check TDC and KCC Cllr attendance, activities and community involvement in the past. The minutes of both WWRA and GRA associations were on the westbrookandwesgate.co.uk/wwra website which was taken down by the owner around September 2013.

It was reported that the minutes for both the WWRA and GRA would be available from the www.thanetrecord.co.uk, but only October and November's WWRA are available. Cllr Jeff Elenor was recorded as being at the two WWRA meetings, and recorded at all GRA meetings else where.

Robert Burgess has taken an active role in the GRA as treasurer, and also undertaken the duties for the Village Green publication. He is very much involved with the youth clubs both in Garlinge and Westgate.

Lyndon T Palmer said...

York Minster Lightning Strike

Doomsayer "It was an act of the wrathful Lord"

Stonemason "Is he the guy who had half-inched the lightning conductor for scrap value ?"

Derek Smith said...

Norah. As far as I can recall Jeff Elenor has attended all except one WWRA meeting since he was elected, Robert Burgess attended two (the one straight after he lost his seat to say goodbye, and the recent January one to give an update on the work he is undertaking with the youth groups. I think Simon Moores has attended three meetings since the election. Tom King, being Chairman has been to all meetings except one. Jodie Hibbert has attended none. Jeff Elenor was the only councillor to attend the WWRA Christmas Social at the Bakehouse (plus Tom King of course), and Tom King was the only one to attend the recent New Years Lunch. The website to which you referred (Thanet Record)is not one that WWRA have any control of, but I know that the minutes of the meetings are submitted to it.
Derek Smith - The Record

Anonymous said...

TDC Councillor Ian Driver was at the Walpole Bay Hotel hurling abuse at Nigel Farage. Whether you like UKIP policies or not, is Driver REALLY the sort of local politician we want ? Mutual respect for people of all political persuasions should be the norm. When did representatives of TDC become part of a baying mob ? It's an absolute disgrace.
And no, I am not a UKIP supporter, I am a Tory through and through.

Norah Batty said...

Thank you Derek, for the information. It will certainly help when we have to make our decision at the local elections. If all local Councillors are judged on their service to their communities then we can make a realistic decision rather than be swayed by the media. I am surprised that this information is not readily available to the public.

Mike Harrison said...

mmmmm, Farage's first serious comment of the evening " oh I didnt realise that I would be debating with the Head Boy ", he then announced that he would be leaving after 45 minute and spent a greater part of the rest of his time there on his mobile.

Anonymous said...

There you go again. Ofensive snides about Will & remarks about Jodie. Jodie won the election, just live with it, it's democracy, you ever heard of it. She gets an allowance, she gets her benefits, she's a mother, it's none of your business who her rent is paid to. Will Scobie will be the next MP. End of.

Anonymous said...

5.57
So sorry its boring you that people in Westgate who work hard should dare to ask where Jodie is.

Don't they have the right to ask why she is being paid when she is never seen in the town?

They might be wrong, but it looks a lot like she's getting thousands for doing nothing. She gets benefits too an as she isn't working you'd think she'd have a bit of time to visit Westgate!!

PS I'm a Mother but I work!

Anonymous said...

I see that anon at 5:57 has given a great deal of thought to their comment. So the election is all cut and dried. No point in voting then.

Simon Moores said...

Sorry but I wasn't invited to these events

Anonymous said...

@Norah Batty

The attendance figures alone don't give you the full picture. When the minutes were publically available, you could read what the Cllr's reports were about.

Cllr Jeff Elenor has attended all but one meeting, but if you read the minute reports and compare them to past reports from Robert Burgess's. You will see that Cllr Jeff Elenor reports are mostly whats going on at the KCC in Maidstone, where as Robert Burgess's reports were more focussed on Thanet and the individual wards.

A good Cllr knows whats going on in their Ward. A lot of Cllr's are very weak or take no interest (All Political Parties). I perceive Simon as a good Cllr from reading the past WWRA minutes. He's always talking about a load of poo and rubbish, but if owners wont cleanup after their dogs, and people keep dumping rubbish on the streets in Westgate, he's spot on. Being a god Cllr is a dirty job some times.

Anonymous said...

Will Scobie will be the next MP ???? Don't make me laugh !!! Don't you know who he is up against ? Only the formidable Councillor Ian Driver !!! What a competition this will be ! A competition to the bottom. Hankies at the ready, at least one mummy's boy is going home with his tail between his legs !

Derek Smith said...

Anon 2.10 - not sure if you are a member of the WWRA but if you do attend the monthly meetings I am surprised by your comment. I am certainly not a UKIP supporter but I have been pleasantly surprised by Cllr Elenor's reports to the meeting. Most have been about items relevant to Westgate such as the street light switch off etc. His reports are no better or no worse that Cllr Burgess's ones. A good Cllr doesn't only report about litter and dog mess - he does something about it.
If all respondents on this blog want to really know what goes on at the meetings they should come along and see for themselves - minutes are only a precis of what goes on - not chapter and verse.
If you are a member of the WWRA Simon there is no reason why you would have been excluded from attending both the Christmas Social and the New Year lunch. Over 90 members of the WWRA, including Iris J were happy to pay to attend the excellent lunch in January, which was held in impressive surroundings at St Augustines.

Anonymous said...

Funny how I was at the Walpole meeting, missed the remark about sixth form debating and only saw Nigel Farage use his mobile once. Mike Harrison seems to be a bit liberal with the truth again, but I suppose he thinks it is political point scoring

Anonymous said...

@Derek Smith

No, I'm not a residents association member, but I have attended as a guest. As far as I can recall, Cllr Jeff Elenor said the KCC weren't even concidering turning the street lights off in this area.

If I remember correctly, Simon did do something about the dog poo/mess. He brought the dog poo/mess up in the council meeting, then there was the whole campaign with the dog poo fairies going around, and dog owners could put the dog poo/mess in the normal litter bins.

Last time I checked, Manston Green was not in the Margate West boundary.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 3:50 is a little bit confused. Farage also took part in a debate at St. Georges school in the evening of the same day, and that is the clue anon, and where, according to Smudger, he remarked that he didn't know he was debating with the head boy. (A rather good put down).

Anonymous said...

How do you feel about bringing dog poo/mess up in the council chamber Simon? (Sorry, my sense of humour).

John Holyer said...

Anon 5:57: I should be grateful for clarification - end of what exactly?

Anonymous said...

10:23, Smudger actually says in this week's Gazette that he didn't hear the alledged remark (and neither did Will), but someone on twitter said that it happened. So please get your facts straight.

Derek Smith said...

@anon 5.02.
We were obviously at different meetings. At the WWRA meeting Cllr Elenor went through all the options KCC were investigating for ALL areas including Westgate. There was no suggestion that Westgate was going to be exempt.
I think you will find that if you walk the streets of Westgate that the 'dog poo faries' have long since lost their powers........

Anonymous said...

@Derek Smith

We must of been at different meetings. As I recall, he said they were turning the street lights off in other areas, and we weren't selected in the scheme. Your information must be more recent and supercede mine.

I also agree about the dog poo fairies lack of recent activity/power.

The point raised, was that Simon as a Cllr has addressed his wards problems. The dog poo/mess, was just an example.

Anonymous said...

4 fines for dog poo in a year by thanet council, against 4,500 parking fines.

It seems That parking on a double yellow/ticket running out is top of everyone's priority list when the council survey it's minions. It's so high up the list that it never appears on it.

Snouts, troughs etc. breweries, piss ups etc.

Simon Moores said...

Not entirely sure what you mean by this although illegal and anti-social parking is a constant source of complaint by residents

anon again! said...

Cllr Eleanor seems to be a good bloke!