Monday, April 23, 2012

Topsy Turvy Local Politics

(Updated - No longer a rumour see comments)

It's St George's Day and from time to time, some rumours in Thanet local politics are so palpably ridiculous, that they start to gain traction in the collective imagination and people wonder if they might be true or not.

This latest one has been bubbling for some time but I'm now hearing it from so many different credible sources that I'm calling on Clive Hart, the Leader of the Council and Mayor of Margate, Iris Johnston, to put an end to it quickly with a firm denial before it starts leaking into the papers.

It surrounds young Cllr Will Scobie (see video interview) and the suggestion that the Labour Group have had the bright idea of making him the next mayor of Margate, because they hold the political balance of votes on the Margate Charter Trustees.

The reason given appears to be two-fold. The first, to give him a job and possibly an entry in the Guinness Book of Records as the country's youngest Mayor and the second, to help propel him into a full-time political career with the Party, perhaps even to challenge Laura Sandys at the next General Election.

My initial reaction was, 'You must be having a laugh.' After all, the role of Mayor normally goes to someone a little older and with more life experience, like Iris, who has enjoyed a long political career and can represent the Cinque Ports town of Margate with proper dignity and gravitas, at ceremonies, veterans' parades and meeting with the likes of her Majesty the Queen. Credit for the video suggestion below goes to Michael Child who was quicker off the mark this morning than me!



However, in this ' Topsy Turvy ', Alice in Wonderland world, which is the new Thanet under Labour and Cllr Worrow's  'Thanet Independent Group, don't be surprised when people start to ask if the 'Mad Hatter's tea party is actually part of the local government process, so can we have a firm denial please?

Remaining with Mad Hatters for a moment, I see that the publicity-hungry local councillor, a paragon of reason, who recently described our royal family as: "A rotten, corrupt family of scroungers, grafters and racists,"  and local Conservatives as 'Homophobes', has apparently taken Facebook control of the campaign to 'Save the A&E' casualty unit at the the QEQM hospital in Margate. On previous form, you can be pretty sure, that what is actually planned by the Hospital Trust is going to be wildly misrepresented across Twitter and the Internet. From a recent presentation to full Council by the head of the Hospital Hrust, we were told it was all about better clinical practice and stems from the professional medical opinion on delivering better coronary care and trauma medicine and involves the movement of very small numbers of patients.

I'm sure I will be writing more about this later and I would expect that both our Council Leader and our energetic Cabinet Member for Communities, Cllr Johnston, are taking an active and personal interest in the matter, working closely with our Members of Parliament, I would hope rather than being influenced by two very isolated but vocal independent councillors, with grand ambitions and personal  interests outside of their immediate ward responsibilities.

97 comments:

Anonymous said...

Labour continuing its mission to devalue anything & everything that has any history or meaning in this country.

Anonymous said...

I have nothing against Will Scobie, but this suggestion seems to be a case of making a mockery of the system just because you can. Not all councillors are in it for the publicity like the TIGS lot and have worked hard for a long time. It's those that should be considered - what's wrong with Iris doing another year.
Saw the Fuel Poverty bit on Breakfast TV - I thought it was about the elderly and fuel bills, but someone was on about the prices of petrol, which was it? In any case with all the shouting from Worrow and co they didn't get many of the public there - reflect on that TIGS, you are not important outside your own minds.

Anonymous said...

I am saddened b the Labour administration, they promised cross party consultation but all I see is spite and desperation to hold on to power at any cost. Perhaps it is time that they look for a different leader that sees the whole picture for the future, it may be sunny now but after this it will rain on them for a long time if they don't change their ways. They are making the old Conservative admin. look quite good!

Anonymous said...

I've been waiting for Labour to take power, but not like this. You cannot operate effectively with a militant element as the only thing keeping you in power. Clive, stop this pettiness and talk to the Conservatives, you are only doing yourself harm.

Michael Child said...

Simon, can I point you in the direction of Blackadder http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3jIE3b-bhY

simon moores said...

Michael.. good choice and you beat me to it I'm afraid!

Sarah said...

Oh what a delicious film clip!

Chris Wells said...

I see young Councillor Scobie, in making his dashing clip on same sex marriage, forgot to mention that when the public had gone home on Thursday evening, around 1030pm, he decided to propose an increase in Cllrs allowances of some 3.5%. And was immediately supported by both the Labour group and the Tiggywinkles..(TIG).

The Labour comtrolled TDC press office did not see that as worth a press release either.

I wonder what the public will make of that.

Andrew Jones said...

I'm being a bit slow I think - but just realised the Birchington part of the 'element' have the initials W&C........ and boy are they pushing Birchington down the toilet!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

According to a local radio station this morning, yesterdays march saw about 300 protesting the fact that many people are now going without food in order to put petrol in their cars! Plus...one un-named councillor was quoted as saying it was 'just the beginning'. Oh joy unbounded!
Is this the definition of diversity, to come up with as many crackpot ideas in as short a time as possible?
Perhaps if time was spent in their official capacity striving to secure more and better paid jobs in the area then these unknown people could afford to eat as well as drive.

Will Scobie said...

You have used that video before Simon about me. You need to get some new material!

simon moores said...

I know but it was too good to miss, given the subject and Michael's suggestion that I run it.

It's hard to find good video clips after almost ten years!

So are you denying it Will?

Will Scobie said...

I intend to put my name forward as I think I would represent the town well, and I also think it is important that we make the Charter Trustees more relevant to younger generations.

As you know the Charter Trustees are non-political so I guess we will find out on Monday what people think about me as a possible Mayor. I see from the article above that I won't be getting your support though which is a shame, and I am sure you will be giving me all the reasons why not on Monday.

simon moores said...

So it''s true then?! "More relevant to younger people' Does that include teenagers perhaps? Where does it stop I wonder?

Will, I think that you and your more eccentric Labour colleagues may have underestimated the public reaction to throwing tradition out of the window simply to achieve a place in the Guiness Book of Records.

Tom Clarke said...

I always thought that fuel poverty applied where the costs of lighting and heating one's home exceeded 10% of income. Evidently it also includes putting petrol in your car which seems a strange indicator of poverty. On that basis, many communters must also be in some measure of poverty if one applies season ticket costs as a percentage of income.

Of course, the truth is that few, if any, people in this country know the real meaning of poverty and it has become little more than a political slogan. Yes, a lot of us are feeling the pinch, some are really hard up, but poverty, I think not. That, of course, will not stop opportunists like D & W thumping it as one of their selection of drums.

Perhaps the more sensible amongst us should launch a noisy campaign about those who leave the party under whose banner they gained office also being required to resign their seat.

Perhaps another bandwagon should be about unelected mayors having to have had at least twenty years of public service under their belt first.

Will Scobie said...

If you do not think that I would do a good job as Mayor then that is fine, and I look forward to discussing your views on Monday at the meeting. However please do not make this an issue of old versus young. Judge me on what I do and say, not how old I am.

simon moores said...

Will, it's not either but the astonishing hubris being displayed by a young man with little or no life experience, work record or indeed, in 11 months, hardly a distinguished political record to go on either.

A couple of years ago I was asked if I might be interested in becoming Mayor and I replied, I think, that I didn't feel I had the experience that warranted it.

But that's beside the point. At the Charter Trustees it's all about votes and 'Yes' party politics does play a very important part as we both know. So if Labour want the youngest mayor in history, there is very little that either me, my colleagues or the people of Margate can do about it.

Anonymous said...

Will that is just the point,sadly you haven't been in long enough to do enough to merit this position. I think you have a bright future, don't ruin it by making bad judgements and friends at this time

Tom Clarke said...

Will, due respects, but unelected majors are more ceremonial than executive. As such it is usually reserved for someone, like Iris currently, who has given many years of public service. Bit like knighthoods, you need to be close to pension to get one.

My criticism would not be about the job you would do, but that you have done too little so far to be accorded such recognition. As it stands I think you may well find that if chosen as mayor, for this is not a publicly elected office, you will largely be lunching with a far older generation from elsewhere on numerous occassions.

If you think you would be a good elected mayor then I suggest you find somewhere and give it a go. After all, you could not be worse than Ken Livingstone.

Anonymous said...

As a Dane Valley resident i will be changing who i vote for come the next local elections,The position of Mayor has to be earned through hard graft over many years,not given on a plate because of a distastful alliance between Labour and the so called independents,I think the vast majority of Thanet residents are unaware of the goings on of the last few weeks,but beware they are starting to realise and you may regret it.

Will Scobie said...

I look forward to discussing all of this with you on Monday then Simon.

Anonymous said...

9.49 - no way was there that many people, it's as inflated as a certain councillors ego.

Anonymous said...

And what were the skills and glorious record of Ted Watt-Ruffell that made you vote for him then Dr Moores?

Anonymous said...

I notice now that there is a greatly increased number of anonymous contributions and I genuinely think this is down to the cyber- bullying tactics that Driver and co used in the lead up to last Thursdays council meeting. I for one now feel that such intimidation should not be brought to bear by an elected member on the public. It is not us that put ourselves up for election - and our opinions count. If you stand as a councillor, as someone has already said, you are fair game, especially when you are spouting stuff no one elected you for. This is a sad end interment of the situation Thanet is in.

Anonymous said...

Wasn't the "Margate Cat Killer" rather mature in years? Proof that age doesn't make a great mayor.

I'm not John Worrow said...

The QEQM Hospital is very important to the people of Thanet. We have watched services being dropped and moved to Ashford and London over the past few years.

It's almost getting to the point of what is the point of having a Hospital in Thanet as all the diagnosis scans and procedures have to be done in Ashford or London. Now A&E possibly closing down is a serious subject.

It may not be under the Thanet Council's authority, please recognise that it is an important issue.

Anonymous said...

The youngest mayor title went some time ago according to search results.
Age is not an issue....experience, or lack of it is! Perhaps you could enlighten us Mr Scobie on precisely what it is that you have done and said to warrant the position.

Anonymous said...

As a Dane Valley resident I live in Kingsgate

simon moores said...

I think you need to place 'The Margate Cat Killer' story in context as it was widely exaggerated by the former Cllr Mark Nottingham who seemed to take personal delight in the story.

The facts of the matter is that Ted kept cats and his home had a flea infestation. The litter of kittens had fleas and sadly one died through neglect. No mitigation here but Ted lost everything as a consequence of the RSPCA prosecution of a high-profile case. In contrast, individuals in Thanet who have done far worse, even unspeakable crimes against animals have escaped with far less. We have a growing animal cruelty and neglect problem on this island.

So that's it really. Ted became Mayor because he had a long history of public service and lost the job, his marriage and his livelihood because his cat had fleas. It's a strange world we live in as I'm sure you will agree!

simon moores said...

Perhaps Will will have seen sense by Monday?

Ian Driver said...

I fully support Will Scobie for Mayor. Unlike me he is intelligent, atriculate, balanced in his approach and will represent Margate extremly well.

In a world where the vast majority of politicians are over 50 having a young Mayor, KCC member, or MP is I think an excellent thing.

Good luck Will and ignore the whingers. They are only jealous of your youthful good looks and energy. If you got it flaunt it.

Ian

Ren Wood said...

Sadly, Simon, folk have to have sense in the first place to see it. Young Will is yet another endeavouring to follow a career in politics despite a total absence of life experiences. Already there are far too many people in Westminster who have done little or nothing else, yet are expert on everything.

TB and DC are good examples, and there we had a right of centre career politician masquerading as a Labour prime minister and now a left of centre one pretending to be a Conservative prime minister.

Now we have another emerging locally who professes to be one of these equality campaigners yet whose first claim to fame was to expose an Asian candidate for alleged ungentlemanly comments about Margate ladies.

He would appear to have all the right qualities to be a 21st century MP. Incidentally, I wonder if his lady mayoress will be JW.

1 o'clock Rob said...

Well there you go Northwood voters, the man you elected has just outed himself as not being intelligent and unbalanced (politically and not mentally we hope, although on recent evidence...)!

Will that make any difference next time he stands for election or will his recent crusades on behalf of a minority (who according to my own straw poll couldn't give a rats arse) be enough to drive the nails into his political coffin?

Michael Child said...

Sorry Simon I misunderstood the post, thought it was meant to be humorous, hence the video link. I guess you really do think that William Pitt was too young to be Prime Minister and frankly I have to say I am a bit lost for words.

Anonymous said...

Cllr Harry Scobie, Will's dad, would be much better as Mayor - experienced and wise (and I'm not a Labour voter). Iris Johnson will be a hard act to follow.

Anonymous said...

Will - I think you've pulled!

Anonymous said...

Michael - if only you being lost for words were true....

Ian driver said...

Mr One o Cock Rob I am not outing myself. Young Mr Scobie just happens to be much more quick witted and intelligent than I (and I suspect) you are. If that's the case why not say so. After all I would expect that to be Mayor of Margate you need to be quick witted and intelligent just like the incumbent. Also Mr O'Cock are you married to me? As the only person who knows whether or not I will be standing in future elections is my wife.

simon moores said...

Let's leave 'cocks' out of the argument just for once at least. While it may be a matter of vital personal interest to you, I suspect readers here are getting a little tired of the subject or am I wrong?

Anonymous said...

No Simon, you are not wrong!

Ian Driver said...

Simon Moores trust you to try to turn my comments into something they are not. i happen to by dyslexic and my spelling is consequntely lousi. Hence oclcok ocock. Perhaps your intrest in my poor spelling my betray another interest

simon moores said...

Perhaps you should add a spelling warning at the end of your posts, as your dyslexia comes and goes. .. my psychic powers failed me this time!

You should notice the comments box picking up spelling mistakes with a helpful red underline. Just click it to correct.

Tim Clark said...

I think this deliberate mi-spelling of Rob's blog name is deliberate intimidation and since it has come from an elected local councillor warrants referring to standards. I also think that I'm glad I don't live in Margate and therefore won't be represented by this overgrown schoolboy. I think the whole thing is madness but we really shouldn't be surprised. I told my 21-year old son, in his last year at university - he said that any young man his age who would rather mix with loads of old businessmen at official functions rather than go out and do lots of sh***ing is the ultimate definition of sad. And I think I agree. You're only young once so don't waste it - come back to politics in a few years time when you have some life and work experience under your belt.

Tim Clark said...

To be a militant anything it seems to be compulsory to have lots of syndromes, itis'es and other afflictions. I think I'm becoming allergic to self-absorbed, showboating windbags.

Tim Clark said...

The only spelling mistake in his original is twice writing cock instead of clock. He manages to punctuate correctly, use capitals appropriately and even displays correct use of apostrophes. Deliberate and childish at the very least, and certainly not how an elected person should speak to the electorate. He would do well to remember that he is a public servant.

Anonymous said...

Well done then on being able to spell dyslexic!

Michael Child said...

1 o clock Rob is an anonymous blogger the only information on his blogger profile is that he follows a blog called Bitch Hut which blogger says “Sorry, the blog at bitchhut.blogspot.com has been removed. This address is not available for new blogs.” You could look at the google cache for it but I don’t recommend it.

Simon managed to answer my previous comment here with one on the previous post the thread off thread goes.

simon moores said...
Michael.. I started by thinking that Labour were 'having a laugh' but let me guess, you are inn favour of the motion?
2:26 PM

Michael Child said...
Simon is this a response to my comment above or on today’s post about the minimum age suitable for a mayor of Margate? If it is the latter what do you reckon would be a suitable minimum age, or would you rather not say?
3:00 PM

simon moores said...
Seems to have fallen in the wrong thread Michael but I guess the age of consent, whatever that means to people these days, may be a good starting point for the argument!
3:09 PM

This may be something to do with “inn favour,” or could be dyslexia, the age of consent is 16 which does seem a bit young to me.

1 o'clock Rob said...

Councillor Driver, if I offended than please accept my sincere apologies...

I suppose time will tell whether you run for Councillor again, lucky for me I don't live in your ward, unlucky for me it seems I have to put up with your daft agenda.

I can only hope that whatever power held currently by TIG will soon wane and normal service will resume shortly, I (and the majority of people I talk to, whatever their sexual preference) would rather have a Council pushing for the betterment of the local area and not just little pockets that can be used for grandstanding purposes and media attention...

Ian Driver said...

Mr Tim Clerk how do u know my misspelling is deliberate or no. You don't know. How could you know. Please plese report me standards and lets see who the oneocock really is. But seriously whoi are you to say whether a young man has insufficnet experince to be Mayor. I know Mr Scobie I suspect you do not. I know from working with him that he is talented and will make a good mayor. You don't know this. Finally I do not see why a young man or lady cannot combine lots of sh**ging with boring meetings with loads of old businessmen. When I was younger i managed to 2 both and even got off with some of the business people as well! The only reason a lot of readers of this blogsite are haveing a go at Mr Scobie is beceause he is clever and talented many of your are not. He threatens you and your psotions so you have used pathetic excuses like lack of experinece to crticise his ambtion. I am in 50s and think handing leadership to yuounger people is the best thing that can be done.

1 o'clock Rob said...

Michael.. bitchhut was a blog used by friends and was related to a beach hut on Westbrook bay, at no point had anything seedy or ?? been posted, unless you find small children moaning that someone broke their spade offensive? It was called Bitch Hut as it was used to moan about things... very pointless and very soon abandoned.

1 o'clock Rob said...

Oh we don't need any Standards Committee to out me, I'm more than happy to let people know if they so wish.

Until then... 40 year old father of two, not married (living in Sin!) former Labour voter more at home with left wing socialist policy but now disaffected apathetic due to the political system at all levels seemingly unable to do anything constructive to better society as a whole. Public sector employee, working for the largest local post compulsary education establishment in the IT support arena...

Yes I can call Cllr Fenner and until recently Cllr Aldred a work colleague!

Tim Clark said...

There is no grown up response to the waste of oxygen who is presently representing Northwood Ward. One can only wonder why anyone would deliberately misspell his response, unless he thinks it represents solidarity with the working class, in which case it shows a very patronising attitude.
Oh dear Michael, 2 plus 2 never makes 5

Michael Child said...

Rob I am sure you are right but googling it could give people the wrong idea about you, so I would recommend removing it from your profile.

I have to admit to finding the whole business of trying to belittle an adult on the grounds of their age, so preposterous as to be funny. After Will became made a councillor and became a blogger I extended the invitation to drop into for a cuppa, that I have extend to the other local bloggers and councillors, even Simon has found himself in my dubious kitchen peering into a cup.

When Will came round one of my children who at about the same stage of education (masters) happened to be here, from their conversation I gauged them to be of an age i.e. early 20s.

I guess we would have both noticed if Will was slow witted, we didn’t have to give him a wooden spoon to stir his tea with either, which I take as an indictor that he may be able to hold his own at civic functions.

He certainly wouldn’t be able to lay claim to be the youngest Thanet MP he wouldn’t beat Harmsworth, 2nd Viscount Rothermere (29 May 1898 – 12 July 1978) the Conservative politician, In 1919, he was elected as a Unionst [Conservative] Member of Parliament for the Isle of Thanet.

I guess most of the commentators here would have voted for one of the other parties, the Conservative candidate being so young and therefore unsuitable, as he held the office for ten years, perhaps they would have subsequently relented.

My understanding, correct me if I’m wrong, is that Will read History and Politics at York and European Governance at Kent, not sure if he has finished, so he may have trouble with political complexities of Margate.

I am still treating this post as humorous and am sorry if the others here can't see the joke

simon moores said...

Michael.. at heart I suspect you are an unreformed nihilist who would be happy if Bakunin wandered into your shop for a cup of tea...

This time I really think you are being obtuse or have simply lost the plot!

Anonymous said...

Not entirely comparable to the mess we find ourselves with in Thanet, but thought you might find this funny...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa-OPYEXi3s

I'm not John Worrow said...

Quote Ian Driver 4.17pm

"Finally I do not see why a young man or lady cannot combine lots of sh**ging with boring meetings with loads of old businessmen."

Erm, I think the female Councilors may go a bit red at the boring council meetings if Will Scobe started following your advice :D

Readit said...

If the Labour group is full of "clever and talented" people, perhaps that is why Cllr Driver decided to defect.

If you want people to take you seriously - call a by-election

Tim Clark said...

As I said before, glad I don't live in Margate.

Michael, he's just finished his Masters, having gone there straight from York. He is singularly unqualified to talk about workplace problems and he is obviously more intent on getting on to the European gravy train anyway - why else has he studied European Governance?
You're the first to berate "Yoof" so this sudden change of heart is odd to say the least. You clearly belong to the "Anything is better than the status quo, even if it's patently mad" school of politics.

Peter. Ageism in the workplace is already illegal, although I doubt that this is a problem in the world of neo-pornographic photography. It isn't yet illegal to doubt someone's qualifications based on their demonstrated experience but I suspect it's only a matter of time in the Peoples' Republic of Thanet.

Michael Child said...

Simon given other circumstances I guess you would be happy to fly him somewhere too, I suppose it’s a bit late to fly a, democracy in Russia, banner.

I guess what I am trying to do here is get the local Conservative group to stop backing non runners and act as a viable opposition.

Tim I just checked with the Yoof here and they agree I am always berating them, so I have to concede that one. The status quo at TDC over the last few years, you know there is a tiny minority that have occasionally suggested to me that things could have been better, anyone ever mentioned this to you?

Anonymous said...

We are talking about the Mayor of Margate not Prime Minister. Honestly put the claws away and give him a chance!

Michael Child said...

Though Peter I don’t suppose you will be going as far through that particular looking glass as Charles Dodgson, I am still taking this as a humorous posting.

James Maskell said...

Being one of young(er) people in politics in Thanet, I say congrats and good luck to Will, should he get the nod.

simon moores said...

OK, so let's throw long tradition and a recognition of public service out of the window to achieve what exactly and at the same time that Margate starts to appear on the map of cultural destinations.

Anonymous said...

Of course young Cllr Scobie is in no way interested in the extra £12,000 he will get as Mayor!
Silent Clive Hart presiding over yet another farce dragging Margate back into the crap its been trying to escape from.
We will remember this Silent Clive---and we vote.

Anonymous said...

Haven't we already thrown away a long tradition by having a female mayor, or are you against that too?

Anonymous said...

No doubt all the labour lot will apear for the meeting - something I understand only happens when choosing a mayor - hypocritical and I hope that Will will have the decency to accept he may need to follow someone for a year. If not this time there is next year when he would have had a few more months under his belt. There should be no politics in the role of mayor.

simon moores said...

No, we have had several lady mayors. It's not unusual and once again, it's a role for those who have a well demonstrated record of public service and the respect that goes with maturity and experience with the public.

Nobody has yet arrived at a reason why a young man in his early twenties, with no track record of employment or life experience and has been a councillor for 11 months could be in any way be qualified for a role which demands both personal dignity and civic respect.

simon moores said...

Peter you have a somewhat annoying habit of answering half questions. So this is a young man, you have never met, who has no measurable record of public or political achievement yet you would be happy for him to represent your town?

Care to explain why?

simon moores said...

Well if we are honest, then the Scobie family put forward a several candidates into wards with a good chance of a Labour win. One could argue that like John Worrow, Will Scobie won simply because of the colour of rosette he wore, rather than through some grand debate or hustings but that I'm afraid is British politics.

I'm going to delete your comments on Ted which have little or nothing to do with this thread.

Disgusted from Birchington said...

Where is Worrow is he not Drivers Leader? yet not a word is it all ready getting too hot for him, or is he busy looking for a new Bandwagon to jump on, I see he now signs himself as " Cllr J Worrow, Leader of Thanet Independent Group, Birchington North and South Wards, Parish and District" wow!! and also advisor to the Labour Cabinet,What next a Knighthood perhaps, for someone so important ( in his eyes) he surely must be expecting an Honour., Or have we got it all wrong and Driver is the "Leader" allowing JW to think he is

Tom Clarke said...

Seems a lot of people fail to grasp the difference between a prestigious civil appointment, normally afforded as a reward for public service, and a political office. Just being a councillor is not, in itself, normally considered sufficient achievement to be mayor.

It is an ancient office, one associated with ceremony and, dare we say it in this age, chivalry, yet elsewhere, we have Will supporters talking of shagging. Seriously chivalrous that.

If we think about it, there is a reason why our representives, the mayors and aldermen, are older for not only do they have experience but also time. A young man should be gaining that experience and developing his career, not attending functions in a red robe and chain.

No, I would have a lot more respect for Will if he were, say, commanding a platoon of soldiers in Afghanistan at his age, but then I doubt Sandhurst was an option.

Chris Wells said...

If the Labour in Thanet believe that Will Scobie is their best choice to be Mayor so be it.

I think his supported pitch to increase councillors allowances by 3.5%, which you will all be able to view on webcast soon is rather more pertinent to his political nouse.

Then, as now he has the undoubted support of Ian Driver, (one of the TIGgywinkles) which may be another question over Will's political nouse!

Good luck to him. Iris will be a very hard act to follow. She has been a hard working Mayor, as have others in the past, and as far as I can judge done an excellent job.

I suspect he may find it a little more boring than he expects - but then as the TDC website still shows Mick Tomlinson as Mayor of Margate, it may be sometime before we notice Will is even in post!

Tim Clark said...

No Michael, my one political Yoof says that the background to our problems is the rise of the career politician, too young and inexperienced for high office, and with little understanding of the world that real people inhabit. Ren named two earlier but I'm sure you can think of many more. My other two older Yoofs think all politicians are useless - I suspect that is a fairly common Yoof view.
Good luck to Scobie Minor. Going to make the position less of an honour for subsequent Mayors - after all the only requirement in Clive's eyes has been the Guinness Book of Records entry - but then we give knighthoods to singers.

Will Scobie said...

I am sad to hear that you have such a low opinion of me Simon, but I guess that is to expected across the political divide. I sincerely hope that the rest of the Charter Trustees do not have the same opinion or I am going to be in for an uncomfortable night on Monday.

Cllr. Wells, lets not stretch the facts about the motion on the allowances system too much. I did not surreptitiously wait until all the public had left because I could only raise the issue where it appeared on the agenda. Also I made this motion partly because my opinion about the allowances system had changed after listening to Conservative and Independent Councillors at the meeting before. Your group correctly argued that the allowances system is currently not fulfilling its functions, and yet at the next meeting you voted against it. What is that all about?!

We need to stop this ridiculous thing whereby we oppose something just because the other party proposed it. It does not get us anywhere.

simon moores said...

It's not a low opinion Will but rather you are showing remarkable hubris for one in his early 20s with only 11 months to show in public service which some might regard as reminiscent of Cllr Worrow.

As one reader commented. You might attract more respect if you had rather more to show us than school and university?

Chris Wells said...

Just waiting for you to make that film with Christine Tongue defending raised cllrs allowances, Will.

Perhaps, like another putative Labour Mayor, you could be filmed crying with emotion as you watch it played back!!!!

Michael Child said...

Chris I think there is a bit of a problem over this allowances business and the whole business of council tax. I have my doubts that the few people locally who would take enough interest to understand what this would actually mean on the council tax bill resent paying.

You may need reminding that the people of Ramsgate voted, not all that long ago to have a town council, i.e. pay more for hopefully getting more out of local government.

Without being unkind here, some sort of plan for the current issues would be helpful, I know there isn’t much the Conservatives would do the Labour wouldn’t at district level, as most of it is unavoidable. Sweeping the streets, removing the rubbish, tending the parks. But there are issues local where a bit more than the old rhetoric wouldn’t go amiss. In Ramsgate there is Pleasurama under consideration at the moment, the maritime museum about to reopen but inevitably surrounded by the new events notice timing which could be a bit of a dampener this summer for any events they want to hold, there are probably other things here where the council has some power and when it comes to Margate, Broadstairs and the villages I am out of touch. I know Thanet Earth has just put in a new planning application, although I didn’t really understand its implications if any. You surely must have something to say about local issues, other than what is wrong with anything proposed by Labour.

simon moores said...

Michael, as much as you might love the subject of Pleasurama and the Maritime museum I'm not accepting off topic remarks or before I know it Rick will be back rambling on the IRA

Tom Clarke said...

Peter, that is a silly remark because unless some people are prepared to take up arms to defend democracy and the rights of others, no one would be allowed to campaign for anything, let alone peace.

All the rights we enjoy today have at some stage been fought for, won and defended by our forefathers. You should be proud that some of our fellow countrymen are still fighting today to help gain those rights for other people.

Michael Child said...

So be it Simon, could you kindly pass it on to Chris Wells, as it was a reply to his comment at 8.33

Tim Clark said...

Well said Tom. This sort of discussion wouldn't exist if people hadn't fought for the rights of ordinary people, from Magna Carta, (yes OK, that was really for the rights of the gentry but it set the wheels in motion) through the Civil Wars and up to the present day. The struggle still goes on, and despite what the Tiggywinkles may think, I do support equality in all its forms. My problem is with the push over the top of the hill, whereby the momentum for a particular minority becomes so vocal that it criminalises the majority, who may not even be aware that this has happened. A classic example being the recent gay marriage debate, where I consistently said that I had no problem with the idea, just thought that it was an unnecessary debate within TDC. Simon had a similar stance and for this was labeled a homophobe. Now I couldn't care less what they call me but the death of serious debate is a cause for major concern because without rational discussion you get nowhere. After all, if the standard of discussion then had been at the present day low the Putney Debates that laid the foundations for our present constitution could never have taken place.

Tim Clark said...

Oh my God, the Tiggywinkles have started another blog. And their banner includes a quote from the founder of modern Conservatism. Beyond parody.

Peter Checksfield said...

I don't know why Simon's publishing our comments Tom, surely they're off-topic?!

simon moores said...

Peter, I 'tolerate' your comments which are most frequently trite and often in poor taste as you invariably seek to provoke. There may come a time when I might choose not to tolerate them any longer, not through any form of censorship but simply to relieve readers of the tedium!

simon moores said...

No, I'm intolerant of facile, provocative comments across all the local weblogs that are one step removed from trolling from someone who really has too much time on his hands if he's constantly monitoring several blogs in near real time.

Tim Clark said...

Have just read this again. Sorry, Margate was never a Cinque Port. They were Hastings, New Romney, Hythe, Dover and Sandwich. Margate WAS a Limb of Dover, just as Ramsgate was a Limb of Sandwich. Pedantic, yes, surprised Mr Know-It-All from King Street hasn't already corrected you.

simon moores said...

OK.. off topic but if we are being strictly accurate:

"Margate became a limb of the Cinque Port of Dover in 1229, but its first harbour wasn't built until 1320. The Spanish Armada originally intended to land at Margate, to begin the conquest of England. Luckily they were defeated in the English Channel."

Michael Child said...

Simon I can find no source for your date of the construction of a harbour at Margate there is no mention of Margate in the Domesday Book. John Leyland chaplain to Henry VIII wrote in about 1540: “Margate….. there is a peere for shyppes, but now sore decayed.

I will be interested to see if you publish this comment as it is off thread doubts your historical research and mcontains accurate maritime history which may be out of bounds.

simon moores said...

It's from a local history reference on the web Michael, hence the inverted commas but I'm sure you know much more than me on the subject as a local historian!

So.. let's get back on topic!

Anonymous said...

I suppose in some way we all have our agenda's-
Simon-doing his best to better Thanet.
Peter C-doing his best to make ugly birds look good.
Michael-god knows.
IRA and chemicals guy-ditto.
Will-yet to do anything of note.
Driver-Driving me round the bend.
Worrow-beaten me to it.
Tom Clark-seems reasonable so far.
Maskell-trying but not getting there yet.
Regardless of what you think of these,could we try to remember that the majority want a happy well run and safe Thanet,so all this petty and sometimes uninformed rhetoric will do us no favours at all.Respect the rights of everyone but not to the detriment of anyone,difficult i know,but not impossible although at the moment with the independents in control and Labour lacing the balls to stop then we are going to suffer more than other areas in the near future.

Anonymous said...

Parliament passed an Act in 1749, following the great storm of 1748, giving approval for construction of a new harbour at Ramsgate.



Dating back to Roman times, Ramsgate had been a very small fishing village, with only a wooden pier forming the tiny harbour. In 1820, King George IV embarked, with the Royal Squadron from Ramsgate on his way to Hanover. In appreciation of the hospitality he received, he decreed that Ramsgate harbour should have the right to add 'Royal' to it's name. This status as a Royal Harbour is unique in mainland Britain

Michael Child said...

Simon while you are selectively deleting comment, not because of any unsuitable content, but in order to censor people’s replies to other commentators, there is little point in contributing.

Bit like writing your own history with a jump of 205 years I a paragraph really, there is so little documentation relating to medieval Thanet I can only think of the letters between the monarchs, lords warden and barons the picture they paint of Thanet at that time suggest the only ports were Sarre and Stonar.

I think the connection with the Spanish armada 250 years later is along the lines of, in 1588, some of the English vessels having defeated the Spanish Armada stopped at Margate. The fleet was infected with typhoid and Admiral Howard visited the ships there, his report says the men were left to die in the streets. St Johns parish register records the burial of men brought from Her Majesty's ships.

simon moores said...

Michael. just because I won't give you space to harp on ad tedious infinitum on your pet subject, you throw your toys out of the pram and accuse me of censorship.

But you have already published it on your weblog and people as expected are not falling over to comment on Pleasurama.

I'm trying hard to keep this entry on topic.. mayor of margate etc etc and starting to fail miserably!

Anonymous said...

I think that will as Mayor would be like making him Town Crier,it will not look right or sound right,imagine frank spencer as town crier and you will see my point,video anyone?.

Michael Child said...
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Ren Wood said...

Just for the record, Michael & Simon, I had absolutely no problem finding a source to confirm that in 1229 Margate came under the jurisdiction of the Cinque Ports as a limb. Anyway, it has little or nothing to do with topsy turvy politics, but just thought I would throw in my two pennyworth.

PS Don't you just hate know alls.

Michael Child said...

Many thanks for reinstating my comment Simon, most noble of you.