Thursday, March 29, 2012

South-east News Yesterday

Lots of local Thanet coverage appeared on the BBC South-east news on Wednesday night. This included the live animal exports from Ramsgate and just as controversial, Sir Roger Gale and Cllr Ian Driver present their views on the rules presently governing gay marriage (minute 7:36").

It might have been nice if the BBC had looked, even momentarily at this weblog for some of the views expressed here. One chap being interviewed from Brighton doesn't appear to have read Sir Roger's argument.

It's probably worth noting here, that Dr. Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, in a speech in Cardiff, this week, warned that society is in danger of becoming fragmented by a preoccupation with homosexual rights, feminism and separate racial identities

Dr Williams claimed that identity had become a ‘slippery’ word and that, while much had been achieved for minority groups, it was time to focus on the common good.

For those readers who wish to support Cllr Driver's position, there will be public meeting in support of equal marriage on 12 April at Margate Media Centre from 7.00-9.00pm and will be chaired by Ian Driver. The meeting will feature local speakers and representatives from Stonewall have been invited to attend. Find out more here.

Typical BBC coverage of the the topic what do you think?

43 comments:

Afghan Dave said...

A disproportionate amount of time is given over to these issues and the issues are only bigged up by groups who receive funding so they can carry on bigging them up which in itself is corrupt. Most people really do not care what two men or two women want to do together as I wouldn't want to know what my heterosexual neighbors do. Local councillors are there for the common good of the locality. I hope they aren't being paid to plough the time and effort into marginal causes.

Tom Clarke said...

Well said, 8:43, on the disproportionate time being devoted to this issue, but it is Ian Driver's latest bandwagon and he clearly subscribes to the belief that he who shouts loudest gets the biggest following.

I wonder whatever happened to consenting adults in private, a bit of decent decorum and some sort of confidentiality between partners. Now, it would seem, we are supposed to be proud of our sexuality, though quite why escapes me, and spend most of our time on sexual issues. Maybe it is all down to the media.

Anonymous said...

Please do not put women in the same bracket as minority issues. Women make up over half the population.

Anonymous said...

I support the vast majority of Conservative MPs, that disagree with Roger Gale's outdated views. Its time that we had a more progressive MP. I would like see Cllr Dr A Bruce become our next MP.

Tony Beachcomber said...

Yep I can go along with Afghan Dave, most people who I have spoken to couldn't care less either way what people do in their private lives. Wouldn't it be interesting if the whole issue went to a referendum.

Gordon Blimey said...

Yes, indeed Tom and Afghan Dave, the issue of gay marriage should be confined to the bedroom and not the council chamber. Council meetings are for local affairs only and not something which has no effect on the local population.

I'm sick of the gays ramming things down my throat, every time you read a newspaper it's gay this and gay that! Next thing you know it'll be all over the streets of Thanet, corrupting our kids and turning them all into Gay!!!11!!

Tony Beachcomber said...

When this issue became the big issue I must admit, yep it is fine by me easy come easy go.

Recent events are now making me stand back and think. This is because the pro campaign cannot accept any form of critism. It really is now starting to come across that if you are not 100% in favour then you must be homophobic, a bigot etc.,.

So what has happened to democracy , freedom of speech and opinion ?

As for Stonewall, here is a little story.

My wife worked at a bakery and one of the guys was gay.Not that it mattered to my wife or anyone else. However this guy for some reason took a dislike to my wife. He gave her a dogs life, he would hide and her tools and generaly made he work difficult. One day she snapped and called him a "Bitch". He reported her and wanted her sacked, Stonewall got involved putting pressure on her employers it was a complete nightmare. I was accused in a statement that I was homophobic when I have never met the guy.The accusations against my wife had no foundation, but it just got too much in the end and my wife left her job.

Peter Checksfield said...

How ironic that those who are saying that Roger Gale is out of touch with the gay community are also suggesting a Boy George look-a-like competition and a Village People tribute act for The Minnis Bay Gay Day.

Tom Clarke said...

Tony you seem to have summed up the whole problem with the equality agenda. If you query any aspect of it you are indeed branded.

My own view is that the great silent majority, who you rightly suggest really could not care less, are actually starting to care and when that gathers momentum these minority campaign groups could be in for something of a shock.

Anonymous said...

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/03/28/public-meeting-to-held-to-discuss-mp-who-asked-if-shakespeare-would-be-rewritten-if-gay-couples-can-marry/

Anonymous said...

Well that should be a happy throng 1:58 PM, all chaps together and all that. Think I will give it a miss if you don't mind.

Anonymous said...

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/03/29/us-scientific-study-

scientific study says dolphins are bisexual

Anonymous said...

5.26 - Do dolphins want to marry then?? As I have said before on this blog - I am fed up of being persecuted for being in he majority!!! I agree with Afghan Dave - I don't care what anyone does in the comfort of their own home gay or straight.... but it is about time there were some heterosexual rights for an even playing field!!!!! And yes I am putting this down anonymously otherwise I would never hear the end of it.

Tom Clarke said...

So that's why some people enjoy cruising!

Anonymous said...

I was told a story about the RAF in the desperate defence of Malta in WW2/ An officer went to the CO to report that two pilots slept together.

The CO looked back through a haze of his pipe smoke and replied "I am rather more mindful that they are awfully good at killing Germans"

And the Ramsgate deckchair attendant. A gay man who had served with Guards Independent which I think became G Squadron SAS. The guys who went in first to clear drop zones etc. Fairbairn Sykes dagger and garotte men.

I wonder if those heros of WW2 would think their defence of freedom is now best served by being caricatured by self styled representatives of diversity who lapse into "LOL" and "XXX".

Why should anyone be harangued to take a position on an issue before the debate is held at the national govt and religious leadership levels ?

And why don't I (or anyone else) seem to have a right of indifference ?

Since he started blogging Simon's one strong point is a consistent and realistic grasp of the dire economic problems of UK.

He has emerged to have a similar grasp of the constraints and duties in law imposed on councils.

His electorate voted him in. He has not changed parties.

It seems to me that Simon is saying argue to him that the gay marriage issue is within the remit of his duties to Thanet as a cllr. So argue it then ? Without a LOL and XXX guised as a get out clause from awkward questions.

Retired

1 o'clock Rob said...

Do you know what... I'm so fed up of Driver/Worrow et al that have the bloody meeting and get it over with, absolutely nothing will change because at the end of the day you are but little insignificant Councillors in the big picture and Central Government will do exactly what it wants whether you debate the issue or not.

So have your 30 minutes and then please get back to the actual job at hand, the one you were apparently elected to do, otherwise the next time your name appears on a ballot form you may well find yourself out on your ear!

DrM. said...

Rob

In some ways it is pretty important we discuss this here because the eyes of the nation will be upon us or at least the liberal press, the 'Guardianistas', because we will be the first English council to debate the matter, with all the politically correct implications and problems that this will bring down upon us I suspect!

Anonymous said...

Yes Simon but volunteer springboards get stamped on even by the most trivial driver (sic)

Anonymous said...

I hope you give me a try here at explaining my view on this.

Supposing a councillor is a parent.

And suppose his/her child has just told them he is gay. The good parent wants the child to tell them any matter that troubles them or needs support or guidance.

Suppose that cllr thinks "Well we have a diversity specialist cllr who I could ask for advice"

The key test for me is would a cllr ask Thanet's self styled diversity champions ?

I sense that the answer is no. Because the diversity champions bring no dignity or compassion to their cause.

I know you moderate out personal attacks. But that is how this crusade strikes me.

I told the story on another thread about the spontaneous compassion for a gender re-assigned neighbour in a Ramsgate street. These people are your voters. So I don't see this simply as politics and the work of the council. The ordinary voter might look at it as an important matter but involving real human suffering. A cause that should be pursued with some dignity.

And I fear this banner waving haranguing approach condemns other cllrs to condoning the fools to purchase their folly. And that ill serves the important cause the diversity champions purport to represent.

Retired

Anonymous said...

As a Birchington resident I 've really had enough of this disloyal childish person that calls himself a councillor. can someone please tell me what needs to be done to get rid of Worrow. Is it a petition, a complaint for bringing the council into disrepute - someone must know. Enough is enough, it's time for us to take some kind of action to let him know he is an embarrassment.

Anonymous said...

DrM - the last thing Thanet needs is the eyes of the nation on us. All the rest of the country sees is an area with above average unemployment and empty shops, so what appears on the council agenda - gay marriage! They are really going to think we have our finger on the pulse of the country.

Anonymous said...

If Worrow and Driver are so convinced of their cause and confident about its popularity, they should resign and stand again on Gay Marriage.
I'm sure the electorate will give them a very clear answer.
Of course they wont do it because they haven't got the guts and don't want to part with their nice fat councillor allowances in these harsh economic times.
Moral compass?
My ass!

Birch Tree said...

9.10 I can hear the laughter now, but surely the Parish council should take this up for you. Yes, I know that they are a laughing stock, but this would be a good way to redeem themselves. Get them to start a petition to get Worrow out, and if it works it might inspire Ramsgate to do e same with Driver.

Anonymous said...

I agree with 11.08 and it seems very unfair that the electorate have no recourse on these two for another three years. Shaming them certainly doesn't seem to work as they clearly have no moral fibre. I know councillors have to have a thick skin, but these two have raw hides!!!!

Gordon Bennett said...

Does Mr Hart not look at these blogs ever - because he is coming across as a very weak and ineffectual leader by not stamping down on these matters. We have very important problems in Thanet and the issue of gay marriage is not specific to here. So much for a change after Labour took over.
....and back to an earlier post, having met him, I think Dr Bruce would make a good M.P. too.

Anonymous said...

Tony Beachcombers story really does show up these issues - so sad such people need these organisations to hide behind and make them feel big and important.......wait a minute that sounds familiar..........

Anonymous said...

Churchill was woken by his secretary with the news that a back bench MP had been caught naked on Hampstead Heath, having sex with a Grenadier Guard. Churchill asked “Wasn’t it very cold last night”? Yes said the secretary, actually it was one of the coldest nights this year. “Doesn’t it make you proud to be British.” said Churchill.

Anonymous said...

At last the Birchington South voters are rising up, it is very clear that they have had enough of Worrow in fact have'nt we all, He wont resign and stand in a bye election because he knows he will lose his seat.
What a messlet us hear more voices giving their views on Worrow especially from all those who elected him on a Conservative manifesto, not a diversity one what ever that is

Anonymous said...

Latest News Southwark Council London Vote in favour of =Marriage


There were 59 out of 63 councillors present and when the vote was taken everyone voted in favour with no votes against and 7 abstentions.

Bigot Gale and freinds clearly out of touch

Anonymous said...

Kent on Saturday "Campaigner Tatchell backs council's debate on same sex marriage" plus excellent coverage in Gazette. At last we are having a balanced debate. Bigots&Homophobes=Losers.

Anonymous said...

Just read the Gazette - am I right all the towns are going to get all day free parking on Saturday.......but Birchington is only going to get half-hour each day. What an own goal - thanks sober Jack and blunder boy. Half hour is no good to me - it will take me that time to get into the high street! Not all of us are young you know - all day Saturday would of been much better. Can those two just shut up in future and wait rather than shouting the odds of how wonderful they are.

Anonymous said...

Fine by me 10:35, but it will take more than anonymous comments on blogs.

Tom Clarke said...

4:12 In the past Southwark also voted to be a nuclear free zone so not the brightest of councils. Anyhow you enjoy your little triumph because I am pretty sure that most councillors and MPs will vote for equal marriage or abstain rather than be honest like Sir Roger and say what they really feel.

The one's much harder to convince will be the vast majority of the general public who get ever closer to breaking point with all these minority causes.

Peter Checksfield said...

I think Laura Sandys has summed it all up very well (see below), though I'm sure there'll be some people accusing her of being a bigot too (anonymously of course)...

Mrs Sandys said: "What's interesting is if you compare gay marriage and civil partnership there is virtually no difference whatsoever.

"The other thing about gay marriage, is that it is absolutely nothing to do with any kind of religious marriage.

"I'm not against civil partnerships becoming called marriage, but I don't necessarily see where the demand is. I have not had anyone lobby me on this."

James Maskell said...

The new parking fees wont count till 4th June. If you go to the TDC Cabinet agenda for last night its Annex 2 under item 7.

Looks like the first half hour every day, but I recall someone brought this up last night. Can't remember what was said specifically, so perhaps Simon can confirm it...?

Anonymous said...

Roger Gale is clearly out of touch. His provocative language could stir up bad feeling against the LGBT community in Thanet. Some comments on this blogsite are also crossing the line which goes to show how intoleranant and bigoted some contributors are. Very strange Simon Moores has not said where he stands on this issue and very strange that he allows his blogiste to host offensive comment on sexuality. Bigot by proxy methinks

Anonymous said...

If you realy want Cllr Brucs as leader or MP, Thanet will decline at a faster rate that ever seen before

DrM. said...

10:56. I would think that this blogsite is a pretty good litmus test of public opinion, moderately expressed, in the great majority of instances.

What interests me is the accusation of being a 'bigot' which serves to highlight what so many people regard as the hidden agenda behind making this a public debate.

I think it's abundantly clear what place marriage holds in the collective view of the population and in particular, millions of people of faith of all religions.

In a personal sense, I think my own views are quite clear. I have absolutely no objection to civil partnerships and I'm delighted that the LGBT community is embraced by such an opportunity to express the commitment of one person to another.

Marriage, though, I'm very cautious about for the different reasons and concerns expressed by so many well-articulated readers comments on this weblog. That's not bigotry by any means.

Tom Clarke said...

Perhaps 10:56 also misses the point of much of this exchange as to whether Thanet District Council should be debating this at all. The government called for consultation and views from authorities with civil marriage responsibilities. Locally that means KCC not TDC.

As ever the vociferous minority sling the labels around like confetti and bigot or homophobe are instantly attached to anyone who opposes the term marriage for same sex unions regardless of their reasons. If anyone is stirring up the situation and inflaming passions I would place the blame firmly at their door.

Anonymous said...

The consultation document actually invites all local authorities to make comment, not just those who marry. Perhaps you should have read it first

DrM. said...

In so far s those local authorities have an involvement, with the emphasis on 'comment' and not political debate!

The Government are guilty of injecting ambivalence into this because an informed observer might say, that in this part of the world they mean Kent County Council and not Thanet District Council, where the irresponsibility lies.

So one might argue that they should have made it clear by saying 'Authorities with a responsibility for the conduct of civil ceremonies' or something similar and would then have avoided the confusion and the bandwagon opportunity that this has given Cllr's Driver and Worrow.

Anonymous said...

Wake up bigots - even the catholic church supports equal marriage

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/04/01/cardinal-church-will-relax-its-approach-to-civil-marriages-for-gay-couples/

simon moores said...

For reader clarity what it actually says is:

Cardinal Keith Michael Patrick O’Brien is to make a sermon today where he is expected to announce a partial reversal in the Catholic Church’s opposition of civil marriage equality for gay couples. Although the Church will continue to oppose same sex marriages happening within religious institutions, it appears to concede that same sex civil marriages will be a reality regardless of its opposition.